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		<title>Comment on Feminists Or Fascists? by Tony N</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/01/feminists-or-fascists.html#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 06:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this article is about my &quot;favourite&quot; people Object who bang on objectification only being bad yet some of the people who actually defined objectification like Nussbaum say it can be positive. Certainly sexual desires are natural, it is what has kept the species alive for so long. I would listen to the podcast if you haven&#039;t or speak to those dancers who want to carry on.

Now lets look at the economic reasons, to close all striptease in the UK will cost the government an estimated £200m in lost revenue and benefits. That is split between local and national but it is still a large chunk of change. Plus with jobs so hard to come by 10,000 dancers plus all the associated staff will become unemployed.

When an organisation the size of object (Banyard called them two people without an office) have the political clout to preach to Leveson about page 3 when the disabled advocacies where unable to complain about the image of disability in the press you question the sanity and priorities in the world.

Finally you have known a lot of strippers, I noticed you didn&#039;t say were friends with and judging by the tone and terms you are in some sort of social service type field. Now object has done nothing in the last two years about prostitution but has concentrated on striptease. How many dancers do you know well enough to know exactly what they want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this article is about my &#8220;favourite&#8221; people Object who bang on objectification only being bad yet some of the people who actually defined objectification like Nussbaum say it can be positive. Certainly sexual desires are natural, it is what has kept the species alive for so long. I would listen to the podcast if you haven&#8217;t or speak to those dancers who want to carry on.</p>
<p>Now lets look at the economic reasons, to close all striptease in the UK will cost the government an estimated £200m in lost revenue and benefits. That is split between local and national but it is still a large chunk of change. Plus with jobs so hard to come by 10,000 dancers plus all the associated staff will become unemployed.</p>
<p>When an organisation the size of object (Banyard called them two people without an office) have the political clout to preach to Leveson about page 3 when the disabled advocacies where unable to complain about the image of disability in the press you question the sanity and priorities in the world.</p>
<p>Finally you have known a lot of strippers, I noticed you didn&#8217;t say were friends with and judging by the tone and terms you are in some sort of social service type field. Now object has done nothing in the last two years about prostitution but has concentrated on striptease. How many dancers do you know well enough to know exactly what they want?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feminists Or Fascists? by Kate Dak</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/01/feminists-or-fascists.html#comment-3107</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Dak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ever, people seem to be misunderstanding. Being anti-stripping/pornography/sex industry in its current form is not about puritanism or being squeamish about female sexuality in general. It is about an uneasiness when female sexuality is co-opted, controlled and sold. Pornography (not inherently, but in its current form), prostitution and lap dancing are about male sexual pleasure - women are acting, playing a role which has been defined my men, based on a narrow, adolescent and frankly insulting idea of male sexuality. In these industries women are paid to ignore their own sexual desires and behaviour. You can say its not harmful for economic reasons but you can&#039;t pretend any of this stuff is making women powerful in any other way. Sex loses its meaning of mutual desire and pleasure and women become sex-aids for male masturbation. Plenty of both men and women find this an uncomfortable situation. 

It should make people at least think about it when today&#039;s female sexual empowerment looks so much like yesterday&#039;s sexual objectification. Rather than forcing women to do something they are unhappy with, it makes much more commercial sense to sell the behaviour as &#039;empowering&#039; so they choose to do it themselves. 

I don&#039;t like it when feminists get into bed with religious organisations. I guess its just a means to an end. 

You may not agree but at least take the time to learn what people are actually saying before arguing with it.

And yes I&#039;ve known a lot of strippers and worked directly with prostitutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ever, people seem to be misunderstanding. Being anti-stripping/pornography/sex industry in its current form is not about puritanism or being squeamish about female sexuality in general. It is about an uneasiness when female sexuality is co-opted, controlled and sold. Pornography (not inherently, but in its current form), prostitution and lap dancing are about male sexual pleasure &#8211; women are acting, playing a role which has been defined my men, based on a narrow, adolescent and frankly insulting idea of male sexuality. In these industries women are paid to ignore their own sexual desires and behaviour. You can say its not harmful for economic reasons but you can&#8217;t pretend any of this stuff is making women powerful in any other way. Sex loses its meaning of mutual desire and pleasure and women become sex-aids for male masturbation. Plenty of both men and women find this an uncomfortable situation. </p>
<p>It should make people at least think about it when today&#8217;s female sexual empowerment looks so much like yesterday&#8217;s sexual objectification. Rather than forcing women to do something they are unhappy with, it makes much more commercial sense to sell the behaviour as &#8216;empowering&#8217; so they choose to do it themselves. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it when feminists get into bed with religious organisations. I guess its just a means to an end. </p>
<p>You may not agree but at least take the time to learn what people are actually saying before arguing with it.</p>
<p>And yes I&#8217;ve known a lot of strippers and worked directly with prostitutes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How #CreepingSharia Reminded Me Of My Love For Britain by The Great Smell Of Brute</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/04/how-creepingsharia-reminded-me-of-my-love-for-britain.html#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Smell Of Brute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I see to used the same quote twice in my post (please feel free to edit)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I see to used the same quote twice in my post (please feel free to edit)!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How #CreepingSharia Reminded Me Of My Love For Britain by The Great Smell Of Brute</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/04/how-creepingsharia-reminded-me-of-my-love-for-britain.html#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Smell Of Brute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As can be readily evidence simply by listening to &amp; observing them, the white working class are far more willing to absorb and assimilate immigrant cultures than their middle class counterparts. But the &#039;liberal left&#039; has hypocritically grabbed the so-called moral high ground and focused on the alleged racial issues, and in doing so has done the work for BNP &amp; EDL etc. The &#039;liberal left&#039; with all its economic advantages has never shown itself willing to actually commit itself to the national commonwealth if it means any economic sacrifice on their part.&quot;

Something else which the &#039;liberal&#039; left has done over the last couple of decades has been to embrace all manner of identity politicians and self-appointed &#039;community leaders&#039;, ostensibly in the name of diversity and a postmodern agenda:  in practice, what it&#039;s amounted to has been a cynical grab for the votes of &#039;key&#039; demographics, based on the assumption that the white working classes are both politically inactive and culturally conservative, and are therefore best ignored by the political elite.  It&#039;s particularly ironic, when one considers just how reactionary and anti-democratic many of the figures whom the so-called left has championed have been revealed to be.

&quot;As can be readily evidence simply by listening to &amp; observing them, the white working class are far more willing to absorb and assimilate immigrant cultures than their middle class counterparts. But the &#039;liberal left&#039; has hypocritically grabbed the so-called moral high ground and focused on the alleged racial issues, and in doing so has done the work for BNP &amp; EDL etc. The &#039;liberal left&#039; with all its economic advantages has never shown itself willing to actually commit itself to the national commonwealth if it means any economic sacrifice on their part.&quot;

One can see this both in patterns of inner-city gentrification (with the accompanying grab for control of local politics) and the manner in which mass immigration had almost become a taboo topic amongst mainstream politicians until working class Labour voters switched to the BNP in protest (rather than out of genuine conviction), and continues to evoke the smear of &#039;racism&#039; every time it is raised in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As can be readily evidence simply by listening to &amp; observing them, the white working class are far more willing to absorb and assimilate immigrant cultures than their middle class counterparts. But the &#8216;liberal left&#8217; has hypocritically grabbed the so-called moral high ground and focused on the alleged racial issues, and in doing so has done the work for BNP &amp; EDL etc. The &#8216;liberal left&#8217; with all its economic advantages has never shown itself willing to actually commit itself to the national commonwealth if it means any economic sacrifice on their part.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something else which the &#8216;liberal&#8217; left has done over the last couple of decades has been to embrace all manner of identity politicians and self-appointed &#8216;community leaders&#8217;, ostensibly in the name of diversity and a postmodern agenda:  in practice, what it&#8217;s amounted to has been a cynical grab for the votes of &#8216;key&#8217; demographics, based on the assumption that the white working classes are both politically inactive and culturally conservative, and are therefore best ignored by the political elite.  It&#8217;s particularly ironic, when one considers just how reactionary and anti-democratic many of the figures whom the so-called left has championed have been revealed to be.</p>
<p>&#8220;As can be readily evidence simply by listening to &amp; observing them, the white working class are far more willing to absorb and assimilate immigrant cultures than their middle class counterparts. But the &#8216;liberal left&#8217; has hypocritically grabbed the so-called moral high ground and focused on the alleged racial issues, and in doing so has done the work for BNP &amp; EDL etc. The &#8216;liberal left&#8217; with all its economic advantages has never shown itself willing to actually commit itself to the national commonwealth if it means any economic sacrifice on their part.&#8221;</p>
<p>One can see this both in patterns of inner-city gentrification (with the accompanying grab for control of local politics) and the manner in which mass immigration had almost become a taboo topic amongst mainstream politicians until working class Labour voters switched to the BNP in protest (rather than out of genuine conviction), and continues to evoke the smear of &#8216;racism&#8217; every time it is raised in public.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by The Great Smell Of Brute</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/05/why-london-should-ditch-boris.html#comment-3054</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Smell Of Brute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 10:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason why many London voters who previously voted for Ken have switched to Boris:  the company that Ken keeps.  

Perhaps if Ken had stopped cosying up to figures on the margins of politics - many of whom have overt anti-pluralist, anti-democratic agendas - in a blatant attempt to capture key demographics, he&#039;d be Mayor of London today.  Londoners voted in a Labour-majority GLA, with significant swings against both the the Tories and Lib Dems, after all.

Personally, I&#039;m overjoyed to see that Brian &#039;odious toad&#039; Coleman has been defeated in Barnet &amp; Camden by Andrew Dismore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason why many London voters who previously voted for Ken have switched to Boris:  the company that Ken keeps.  </p>
<p>Perhaps if Ken had stopped cosying up to figures on the margins of politics &#8211; many of whom have overt anti-pluralist, anti-democratic agendas &#8211; in a blatant attempt to capture key demographics, he&#8217;d be Mayor of London today.  Londoners voted in a Labour-majority GLA, with significant swings against both the the Tories and Lib Dems, after all.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m overjoyed to see that Brian &#8216;odious toad&#8217; Coleman has been defeated in Barnet &amp; Camden by Andrew Dismore!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by moronwatch</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/05/why-london-should-ditch-boris.html#comment-3050</link>
		<dc:creator>moronwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and BTW the roads aren&#039;t &quot;private transport&quot; - they&#039;re largely paid for by the public out of general taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and BTW the roads aren&#8217;t &#8220;private transport&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re largely paid for by the public out of general taxation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by moronwatch</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/05/why-london-should-ditch-boris.html#comment-3049</link>
		<dc:creator>moronwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 16:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, I&#039;ll ignore your laughable &quot;CO2 isn&#039;t a pollutant&quot; comment and point out that large-engined cars also output more SO2, NO2 and CO. I&#039;ll leave you to Google what those are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, I&#8217;ll ignore your laughable &#8220;CO2 isn&#8217;t a pollutant&#8221; comment and point out that large-engined cars also output more SO2, NO2 and CO. I&#8217;ll leave you to Google what those are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by Geoff</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/05/why-london-should-ditch-boris.html#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 07:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arron accuses the author of &#039;willful obfuscation&#039; &amp; goes on to explain this viewpoint by saying &quot;co2 is not a pollutant in the conventional sense&quot;, is that itself not simply a poor attempt to obfuscate? You accept that it is a pollutant, weakening your point, but suggest that because of its impact being global, &amp; effecting the future of humankind&#039;s existence rather than it being the more visible &amp; localised air pollutant many might think of first as a car emission pollutant, that is somehow sneakily pulling the wool over peoples eyes... Give over.

Oh, one key thing missed in the article is that credit for launching the &quot;Boris&quot; Bikes does not belong with Boris. The scheme was put together, agreed &amp; completely signed off before Boris even came to power. The fact he likes to cycle has made it easy for him to associate himself &amp; take credit for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arron accuses the author of &#8216;willful obfuscation&#8217; &amp; goes on to explain this viewpoint by saying &#8220;co2 is not a pollutant in the conventional sense&#8221;, is that itself not simply a poor attempt to obfuscate? You accept that it is a pollutant, weakening your point, but suggest that because of its impact being global, &amp; effecting the future of humankind&#8217;s existence rather than it being the more visible &amp; localised air pollutant many might think of first as a car emission pollutant, that is somehow sneakily pulling the wool over peoples eyes&#8230; Give over.</p>
<p>Oh, one key thing missed in the article is that credit for launching the &#8220;Boris&#8221; Bikes does not belong with Boris. The scheme was put together, agreed &amp; completely signed off before Boris even came to power. The fact he likes to cycle has made it easy for him to associate himself &amp; take credit for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, just to make this fair, I think you should comment on what Boris has actually done well in his term as Major and then we can finally judge for ourselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just to make this fair, I think you should comment on what Boris has actually done well in his term as Major and then we can finally judge for ourselves!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why London Should Ditch Boris by Andrew</title>
		<link>http://moronwatch.net/2012/05/why-london-should-ditch-boris.html#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arron,
I lived in the West End for a few years, at the time the congestion charge came in. The parking charge in the street I lived in in EC1 was astronomical but it did not stop people coming in and parking. Inevitably the cars were all very high end models that cost a fortune. That gives plenty of credence to Moronwatch&#039;s ‘more money than sense’ comment. On top of that I would say that they were also selfish and arrogant enough to assume that their wealth gave them a sense of entitlement to drive their gas guzzlers wherever the hell they wanted, whatever the cost to local people or the environment. The congestion charge made a huge difference, visible in my flat from the reduction of black soot that built up daily on the windows sills even when the windows were closed. Your tired reductionist argument about &quot;class warriors&quot; and the &quot;lefties&quot; is redundant, and without merit. As for &quot;tax grabs&quot; it is long overdue that the wealthy paid fair taxes and stopped moaning about it, especially given that this government has given them a whopping tax break whilst the poor pay proportionally more of their income in tax. Your comments are laughable in the extreme given the political climate, which favours political opinions like yours. Do you really thinking whinging about how the rich are treated could be taken seriously by anyone except a complete dullard?
Johnson is a lying buffoon who favours the rich over the poor and treats us all all which contempt. Vote him out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arron,<br />
I lived in the West End for a few years, at the time the congestion charge came in. The parking charge in the street I lived in in EC1 was astronomical but it did not stop people coming in and parking. Inevitably the cars were all very high end models that cost a fortune. That gives plenty of credence to Moronwatch&#8217;s ‘more money than sense’ comment. On top of that I would say that they were also selfish and arrogant enough to assume that their wealth gave them a sense of entitlement to drive their gas guzzlers wherever the hell they wanted, whatever the cost to local people or the environment. The congestion charge made a huge difference, visible in my flat from the reduction of black soot that built up daily on the windows sills even when the windows were closed. Your tired reductionist argument about &#8220;class warriors&#8221; and the &#8220;lefties&#8221; is redundant, and without merit. As for &#8220;tax grabs&#8221; it is long overdue that the wealthy paid fair taxes and stopped moaning about it, especially given that this government has given them a whopping tax break whilst the poor pay proportionally more of their income in tax. Your comments are laughable in the extreme given the political climate, which favours political opinions like yours. Do you really thinking whinging about how the rich are treated could be taken seriously by anyone except a complete dullard?<br />
Johnson is a lying buffoon who favours the rich over the poor and treats us all all which contempt. Vote him out!</p>
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