The New Holocaust Denial: Ignoring Israel’s Final Solution

Vanishing Palestine
If This Isn’t Genocide, What Is?

To hear Europeans speak today, you’d think that nobody in the 1930s and 1940s supported the industrialised genocide that destroyed Europe’s Jewish population. And yet, history tells otherwise. Most people in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Italy and other European states simply ignored what was going on (if they weren’t actively complicit). Britain and other nations refused to allow in Jewish refugees. Most of those on the right, and many on the left, accepted at least part of the “Jewish Problem” justification. European Jews had no powerful friends.

When the state of Israel was founded after WWII, Europe rushed to recognise and embrace it. Although it was created by terrorism and ethnic cleansing, Europeans turned a blind eye – partly out of guilt, and partly to maintain that anti-Semitism was someone else’s fault. “Me, anti-Semitic? But look, I support the state of Israel!” As millions of Arabs were forced from their homes, nobody said anything.

But those who thought the Zionists would simply be content with driving out some Arabs, taking some land, weren’t paying attention. Israel’s founders were already patiently working to a plan: the annexation of all the land.

Every war, every attack is an opportunity for retaliation. As we have seen repeatedly, a single terrorist attack – even one that claimed no lives – could be the excuse for a full-scale military onslaught, with troops, bombs and chemical weapons used against civilian targets. Although Israel repeatedly claims to be “defending itself against terrorism”, only the most blinkered could still believe that to be true. Every act of Israel’s has been to destroy peace treaties and encourage terrorism. When Yasser Arafat’s PLO was ready to do business, Israel aided the creation of Hamas, to make sure no deal could be done. In 2006, Hamas seemed ready to recognise the state of Israel – so the Zionists responded by attacking Hamas and strengthening anti-Israeli sentiment in Gaza. Israel is not looking for treaties or surrenders; the Zionist goal is, and has always been, a Jewish state on the entirety of Palestine (and quite possibly beyond).

The map above illustrates a clear trend. Israel knows that its genocide cannot be carried out too quickly; it must be slow enough that the Americans (if nobody else) can be persuaded that it isn’t even taking place.

Yesterday, I tweeted a link about yet another small part of this slow genocide. Israel is about to begin rounding up around 70,000 Bedouin Arabs,  destroy 35 villages, and place these people into – effectively – concentration camps. I used the term Final Solution in the tweet – this term related to the annihilation of European Jews by the Nazis.

My tweet received some hostile reaction (as tweets about the reality of Israel always do) – and not just from Zionists. It seems that the term – Final Solution – is now exclusively for Jewish use, and can only be applied to one specific genocide. But I picked the term very carefully. To deny use of the term means denying a deliberate genocide, with a planned end-game,  is underway in Israel/Palestine. And without doubt, genocide is happening before our eyes.

The Nazis talked of a “Jewish Problem”, and formulated a Final Solution to it: the Holocaust. Likewise, the Zionists see the existence of Arabs in Israel and the West Bank as their “Palestinian Problem”, and they too are working on a Final Solution. The round-up of the Bedouin mentioned above is just one of many small pieces of this genocide. Most of the genocide takes place in fragments so small that unless you pay attention, it could appear like a series of unlinked incidents. Use of chemical weapons against civilians. Cutting water supplies. Olive groves destroyed. Zionist settlers allowed to shoot civilians, even children, while the IDF stand by and watch. Day in, day out, Palestinians are killed, injured, arrested, beaten, driven from their homes, see their homes demolished and many more humiliations, provocations and injustices.

Many on the left are either afraid to be labelled anti-Semitic, or are genuinely blind to the scale of the Zionists’ ambitions. Being of Jewish background, I can laugh off accusations of anti-Semitism; I applaud the bravery of those non-Jewish supporters of Palestine who are called anti-Semites on a daily basis. The Zionists use every tool in their arsenal, and accusing opponents of racism is one of their favourites. I find it tragic that the mainstream left, which failed to see Europe’s approaching genocide in the 1930s, seems oblivious to an ongoing genocide.

In case you’re still missing the big picture, you’ve ignored the past 60 years of evidence, and the map above doesn’t help either, let me put it in plain English: the Zionists have no intention of stopping until every last scrap of land in Israel and the West Bank is taken by Jews. But this leaves them with a “Palestinian problem” – despite already killing or expelling millions, there are still millions of Arabs left. From the Zionist perspective, this must be dealt with – and it will be. The Zionists have not stopped advancing, killing or grabbing land for one single day since the 1940s. How naive would you have to be to assume they intend to stop now?

Simply grabbing most of the land isn’t enough for the Zionists to achieve their goal. Even within Israel, there is a growing Arab population. Left untouched, this will overtake the Jewish population in size at some stage. The Zionists are on a long-term mission; the creation of a permanent Jewish state requires a Final Solution: a permanent guarantee that Israel will remain Jewish. This inevitably means “cleansing” the land of non-Jews. Their logic leaves no space for any other interpretation. Besides the endless violence in the West Bank, and the brutal blockade of Gaza, the Final Solution must take place within Israel too. Recent mob attacks on African immigrants have been widely reported; but this is institutional, not just street violence. Non-Jews are harassed at the border, and refused medical treatment. Now Arabs within Israel itself are being rounded up by security police – how much more closely does Israel have to resemble Nazi Germany before the world takes action?

Anyone who follows and understands the Zionist mindset will understand what is going on. The rise of fascist sentiment in the Israeli leadership, military and population is a prelude to what the Zionists believe must happen next; Israel has always committed atrocities since its birth, but now, much more blood must be spilt to finish the job. The West Bank cleansing is growing in speed; attacks on non-Jews in Israel are accelerating. And Israel beats the drum of war towards Iran and Lebanon too. It appears that some sort of deal has been struck between the US administration and Netanyahu – he went quiet after his meeting with Obama earlier this year, and is likely waiting for the US Presidential elections to be held in November. After that, whoever wins, expect to see Israel go on the warpath (with the US in support).

It’s not fashionable to deny the Holocaust, but denying that Israel is committing genocide is perfectly normal. Politically correct, even. The European left bites its tongue, as it did in the 1930s. Many members of my extended family died in the Holocaust – I make no apology for comparing the Nazis with today’s Zionists; many Holocaust survivors have also done so. Again I feel frustration and shame as the cowardly left makes the same mistake it did in the 1930s – misunderstanding and underestimating the genocidal nature of fascism. The last Palestinian village in the West bank will look just like the Jews’ last stand in the Warsaw ghetto. And just as in Warsaw, most of the Western world will just look the other way.

73 thoughts on “The New Holocaust Denial: Ignoring Israel’s Final Solution”

  1. I don’t understand how you manage to be sound like a bit of a communist/nazi/Islamist/conspiracy nut on the Israel/Palestinian issue – and yet on other subjects you seem eminently sensible.

  2. Did you from the Camden by any chance? Last time I heard somebody going on like that, well, they were an aged hippy from Camden.

  3. marvin – Perhaps you should click some of the links in the article. You probably didn’t notice that none of the mainstream media dare tell truth about Israel. You should read the book Flat Earth News to understand why: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distortion/dp/0701181451

    I also suggest you subscribe to Jews For Justice For Palestinians’ newsletter – a Jewish group determined to expose some truth in a propaganda-filled world. http://jfjfp.com/

    I don’t blame you for believing the hype, but it’s your fault if you don’t do some fact-checking for yourself.

  4. Oh moronwatch you must understand there’s a diametrically opposed narrative, from very scholarly and respected sources.

    I’ve heard of both of those you speak of, but I simply don’t have the time to rebut you, you’re so entrenched it would take an Olympic sized Israeli JCB to dig you out.

    I’ve not followed you for that long, but do you have any articles criticising the Palestinians and supporting Israeli actions or it always the same doomsday schtick?

  5. Another excellent blog post that deals with the real issue at hand.
    Many Israeli Historians and holocaust survivors have called this a genocide. Of course the Media loves to ignore these peoples view-hence you don’t hear much from them. As MW said, these Zionist won’t stop ‘until every last scrap of land in Israel and the West Bank is taken by Jews’. On twitter yesterday, we saw many ‘apparently’ educated people prove how confused they really were. They refused to acknowledge the genocide that is taking place, on the basis that genocide means an ‘attempted eradication of a group/race of people.’ Please if anyone of you have made this mistake check out ‘Article 2 of the UN convention on Genocide’. Demolishing Palestinians homes, building illegal settlements, beating children up, raiding homes, restricting aid, water is 90% unsafe, not allowing Palestinians to return, forcing Bedouins out of their land, is this not a genocide? What is it, then?
    Thousands of Palestinians killed, forcing people to make the decision to leave their land. Is this still not genocide?
    Many educated people have turned a blind eye to what is happening, saying that comparing this to late 1930s is wrong. Some people even said this: “Israeli policies are potentially genocidal. But deploying “FS”/Nazi terms is too much.” The word ‘potentially’ used by a guy who did history at university just shows us how much education we’ve had. So in theory their policies mean ‘harm’ but in practical sense it’s ‘too much’. Too much of-please explain?
    MW pointed out what happened in the 1930s and 1940s, a similar situation is taking place in the 21st century, some says we haven’t even got there, but we will, soon a ‘bloodbath’ will take place, where will you be then? Are we going defend Israel’s disgusting actions?
    MW has posted a simple map, which I hope all of you can understand. Now simple gcse geography, explain the pattern? This is your homework students 🙂
    MW posted excellent sources on his twitter, hope you guys research, read, analyse and review EVERYTHING before debating about this issue. Oh make sure you guys check out the definition of genocide 😉
    https://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/ http://libertarianreview.us/2012/05/13/the-palestinian-genocide/ http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/112608Lendman.shtml http://www.internationalnews.fr/m/article-19549501.html

  6. “I’ve not followed you for that long, but do you have any articles criticising the Palestinians and supporting Israeli actions or it always the same doomsday schtick?”

    Sure – and I’m sure there are some pro-Holocaust article floating around the Internet. This isn’t a 2-sided conflict, any more than the Nazi/Jew battle in Warsaw was a fair fight.

  7. It seems the Zionist Jews, like Mohammed(saw)and his followers, will wage war if threatened. The Zionists invaded and now control palestine but to create peace they need to behave more like the Muslims. There needs to be a paradigm change in the thinking of a Zionist state, Israel needs to stop pretending to be a secular state and develop a theocracy where the rights of all are protected.

    The Zionist state should be ruled by the Jews. Muslims should pay a new tax, like the jizya, a symbolic tax signifying that the Muslims accept Jewish superiority and consider themselves subdued. If non-jews do not wish to pay the tax and feel themselves subdued then they are enemies of the Zionist state, but those willing to do so could live under the protection of the Jewish state, refugees could return and live in peace as “dhimmis” in the Jewish state.

    The Jews should also accept any Muslim who wishes to convert to Judaism for the right reasons (of course any muslim doing so for evil reasons would be dealt with as Mohammed(saw) himself would have dealt with them).

  8. This is a really moronic blog entry.

    Facts:

    1) 80 percent of historic Palestine became JORDAN. But these maps start after that, which is dishonest. Israel is only about 10 percent of historic Jordan, if you go back just another decade.

    2) Palestinians aren’t being met with any sort of “final solution.” Their population GROWS each year.

    3) While Israel has grown in size, even with extra land it’s still FAR less than 1 percent of the ENTIRE Middle East. To pretend it’s some huge entity is a lie and absurd.

    4) Jews were as “Palestinian” as current “Palestinians” just 75 years ago. Look at what was famous in that region in the early 1900’s and it was probably Jewish-created, like the Palestine Post and the Palestine Symphony Orchestra.

    5) If you want to talk about ethnic cleansing, the ENTIRE Arab Middle East destroyed their Jewish populations. Want to see some fun maps? Look at a map of Jewish populations in Arab countries in the early 1900’s, and how they’ve been COMPLETELY ERASED.

    6) Arab countries, on behalf of the Palestinians, started war after war after war after war against Israel, and THAT is how Israel gained additional land.

    7) There were around 700,000 Arab refugees from Israel, but there were around a MILLION Jewish refugees from Arab countries. Israel accepted Jewish refugees to let them rebuild their lives. Arab countries REJECTED Palestinian refugees and kept them in “refugee camps” to use as PAWNS, FOREVER, in a never-ending war against Israel.

    8) Most of the original Palestinian refugees are dead. Their CHILDREN are now called “refugees,” which is absurd.

    I could go on and on, but this relentless anti-Israel bias is based in DISHONEST GARBAGE, not fair analysis of the whole picture.

  9. MoronWatch wrote: “the Zionists have no intention of stopping until every last scrap of land in Israel and the West Bank is taken by Jews.”

    Reality Check: This is also false and absurd. Israel repeatedly offered peace deals that left Palestinians with about 95 percent of the West Bank, but Palestinians dsaid no.

    MoronWatch wrote: But this leaves them with a “Palestinian problem” – despite already killing or expelling millions, there are still millions of Arabs left.”

    Reality Check: Again, MoronWatch is simply WRONG here. To say Israel has “already killed or expelled millions” is a DISGUSTING LIE. Israel has never killed “millions” or “hundreds of thousands” of ANYBODY, EVER. Or expelled that many. How sloppy is this awful blog?

    MoronWatch wrote: “The Zionists have not stopped advancing, killing or grabbing land for one single day since the 1940s.”

    Reality Check: Again, this is absolutely ridiculous and a lie. ISrael didn’t grow at all between 1948 and 1967. Furthermore, ARAB COUNTRIES started war after war against Israel openly trying to wipe Israel out. What kind of dishonest garbage is it to not mention that?

    MoronWatch wrote: “Besides the endless violence in the West Bank, and the brutal blockade of Gaza, the Final Solution must take place within Israel too.”

    Reality CHeck: This is just absurd garbage and belongs on stormfront or a neo-nazi website. ISrael has ONE MILLION Arab citizens, and they live MORE FREE LIVES than most Arabs in actual Arab countries, yet this absurd blog is talking as if they’re being wiped out. THere are Arab judges on ISrael’s supreme court that would laugh at this garbage.

    MoronWatch wrote: “Now Arabs within Israel itself are being rounded up by security police – how much more closely does Israel have to resemble Nazi Germany before the world takes action?”

    Reality Check: Again, this is just irresponsible lying done by the writer.

    MoronWatch wrote: “Anyone who follows and understands the Zionist mindset will understand what is going on.”

    Reality Check: You sound like a f*cking nazi, not like a peace activist.

    MoronWatch wrote: “The West Bank cleansing is growing in speed; attacks on non-Jews in Israel are accelerating.”

    Reality CHeck: You’re just making this up.

    MoronWatch wrote: “And Israel beats the drum of war towards Iran and Lebanon too.”

    Reality Check: Uh, IRan every other week for years has talked about removing Israel from the planet.

    MoronWatch wrote: “After that, whoever wins, expect to see Israel go on the warpath (with the US in support).”

    Reality CHeck: The above is useless, worthless, biased speculation.

    MoronWatch wrote: It’s not fashionable to deny the Holocaust, but denying that Israel is committing genocide is perfectly normal.”

    Reality CHeck: In the Holocaust, millions of innocent people were rounded up and exterminated because of their religion. NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN OR NEAR ISRAEL.

    MoronWatch wrote: “Many members of my extended family died in the Holocaust – I make no apology for comparing the Nazis with today’s Zionists”

    RealityCheck: That’s becuase you’re a misguided moron with a blog that is no longer worth following because you’re uneducated on this topic and sound like David Fucking Duke instead of someone who lives on planet Earth.

  10. Israel has not killed “millions” of Arabs, or even “hundreds of thousands” of Arabs. NO REPUTABLE SOURCE ON THE PLANET makes that claim. NONE, ANYWHERE.

    You are using ABSURD, RADICALLY FALSE, FRINGE sources. You’re completely off the deep end on this.

  11. And there is no “genocide” of Palestinians. The Palestinian population INCREASES each year. That’s the OPPOSITE of a genocide.

    You can say that Palestinians are very slowly losing more land that they hoped would be theirs someday, but that’s NOT a “genocide.”

    If you want GENOCIDE, look at a map of Israel, and then MOVE YOUR FINGER A FEW INCHES over to SYRIA, where more Arabs have been killed by Syria this year than Israel has killed in 40+ years.

  12. Brad is quite right.

    Thing is moronwatch, your extreme hyperbole about the situation diminishes the English language and creates a cry wolf situation.

    If, which would never happen, Israel deployed weapons of mass destruction and actually killed a million Palestinians, then your article would barely need to be changed, would it?

  13. Brad-

    ‘Palestinians aren’t being met with any sort of “final solution.” Their population GROWS each year.’
    How do you explain the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians, you said their population is increasing, by how much, is their quality of life that good?

    ‘But these maps start after that, which is dishonest’, how is this dishonest, so you do agree that Palestinian land has been ‘eaten’ hence the pattern, and because most of Palestinian land is now Israel-it’s dishonest? Interesting.

    YOU said: ‘Palestinians aren’t being met with any sort of “final solution.”Their population GROWS each year’- from 1948-2011 0.1 million Palestinians were killed. 4.2 MILLION refugees registered with UN in Middle East, and overall approximately 7 million refugees. Since 1948 about 5100,000 Palestinians were killed. Please visit the website for further details:

    ‘While Israel has grown in size…less than 1 percent of the ENTIRE Middle East’- LOL less than 1%? Don’t worry soon that figure will increase, of course the middle east is ‘huge’, as you said Israel has grown in size from probably less than 0.1% to 1%, HUGE DIFFERENCE don’t you think.
    ‘the ENTIRE Arab Middle East destroyed their Jewish populations. Want to see some fun maps? Look at a map of Jewish populations in Arab countries in the early 1900′s, and how they’ve been COMPLETELY ERASED’. LOL again. The ENTIRE middle east? Iran can come in the middle east, and they have a Jewish community about 30,000. There are some Jews living in other Arab countries, still ‘destroyed’? YES can you please post these ‘fun maps’?

    ‘Arab countries, on behalf of the Palestinians, started war after war after war after war against Israel, and THAT is how Israel gained additional land’, okay so why did these Arab countries like Egypt start a war? There must be a reason. Nope, that is that how they actually gained the land, what about the west bank, the Palestinians are being pushed into one corner ‘acre by acre’-Israel will take that Land.

    ‘…700,000 Arab refugees from Israel… a MILLION Jewish refugees from Arab countries. Israel accepted Jewish refugees to let them rebuild their lives. Arab countries REJECTED Palestinian refugees and kept them in “refugee camps” to use as PAWNS, FOREVER, in a never-ending war against Israel’ then where are these Palestinian refugees, have they disappeared into thin-air? Israel to rebuild their lives, ha!
    So treating them as 3rd class citizens, and not only Palestinians but Africans as well-is called ‘acceptance’. Who is using who as pawns, Israel using Arabs or Arabs using Palestinians?

    ‘Most of the original Palestinian refugees are dead. Their CHILDREN are now called “refugees,” which is absurd’ The absurd thing is, you don’t know the definition of refugee.

    ‘this relentless anti-Israel bias is based in DISHONEST GARBAGE, not fair analysis of the whole picture’ really sad that you think like that, all you can say is ‘absurd, lie and dishonest’ no real discussion there mate!

    “This is also false and absurd. Israel repeatedly offered peace deals that left Palestinians with about 95 percent of the West Bank, but Palestinians said no.” Do you speak for the Palestinians? Those peace deals-what have they achieved, Palestinians life style hasn’t improved at all. Israel is still ‘stealing’ land, and probably they will go to war soon. Israel just wants to show the world “We are peace makers-look at this signature that proves it, in your face fuckers!” Really? A piece of paper proves how much peace there is. LMFAO. Good one Israel;)

    “DISGUSTING LIE. Israel has never killed “millions” or “hundreds of thousands” of ANYBODY, EVER. Or expelled that many. How sloppy is this awful blog?” The sloppy and disgusting thing is how much BULLSHIT you’ve been fed. WELL DONE ISRAEL. So how many has Israel killed? 10, 1000,or 100,000?
    “Again, this is absolutely ridiculous and a lie. ISrael didn’t grow at all between 1948 and 1967. Furthermore, ARAB COUNTRIES started war after war against Israel openly trying to wipe Israel out. What kind of dishonest garbage is it to not mention that?” war after war? SO Israel holds no responsilibility? They were the victims?

    “ISrael has ONE MILLION Arab citizens, and they live MORE FREE LIVES than most Arabs in actual Arab countries, yet this absurd blog is talking as if they’re being wiped out. THere are Arab judges on ISrael’s supreme court that would laugh at this garbage.” Arab judges that wipe Israel’s arse at a price:D
    Firstly those “million arabs” are treated like SHITE. Secondly how are they more free than those arabs in ‘arab countries’? Do you travel? Is that no?
    “Again, this is just irresponsible lying done by the writer.” You should work for either FOX if you are American or Daily Mail, they love your Kind. So instead of coming up with an argument, all you say is ‘lying done by the writer’. Interesting Point BTW.
    “You sound like a f*cking nazi, not like a peace activist” hahahaha this has to have the comedy award for best comment. Is that all?

    “You’re just making this up” okay dude, I get you, what’s your next point?
    “Uh, IRan every other week for years has talked about removing Israel from the planet” Iran has their own problems to take care of, why would they wipe Israel, they don’t like Zionists, who does anyways. And no they haven’t been talking about it for years, that’s USA who you are talking about. Iran be prepared, soon your democracy will be gone, you guys are now a threat to Israel. Au Revoir!

    “useless, worthless, biased speculation” COOL.
    “In the Holocaust, millions of innocent people were rounded up and exterminated because of their religion. NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN OR NEAR ISRAEL.” Stop SHOUTING DUDE! My eardrums are suffering. Anyways, the condition in gaza strip and west bank are begining to reflect the 1930s. Millions of innocent people- Jews, Black, homoexuals and many others will killed not just religion followers. Have you been to Israel-if yes I bet you just visited the pubs and beaches;) Naught boi! You haven’t been to the west bank, but MW has!
    “That’s becuase you’re a misguided moron with a blog that is no longer worth following because you’re uneducated on this topic and sound like David Fucking Duke instead of someone who lives on planet Earth” OMFG you sound like a ZIONIST! I guess you haven’t underestimated your moron-mania condition. MW uneducated says the guy who can’t spell ‘becuase’. 😀

  14. “How do you explain the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians” out of a population of 5 million? In a year? That’s a genocide? Pull the other one.

    There’s really no need to argue every point.

    Admit there’s no genocide, but there’s a low-level war going on between the two peoples for over a hundred years.

    Mistakes on both sides. Atrocities committed by both sides, historically.

    Can you two admit that?

    And there’s nothing wrong about Zionism or being a Zionist

  15. Sorry – quoting from an unverified independent source is pointless. We can all justify fantastical claims from sources from teh interwebs.

    You have the BBC, Wikipedia, etc. Please present your evidence for your genocide charge.

  16. BRAD-

    You really have a special talent-that is sounding like a wanker:D

    “And there is no “genocide” of Palestinians. The Palestinian population INCREASES each year. That’s the OPPOSITE of a genocide”
    having a plan which is to exterminate, subjugate and eliminate a certain group of people isn’t genocide? The Pakistani Government similarly, have tried to steal Afghan Land by forcing Pashtuns to recognise the Durand Line, so that area can be part of Pakistan permanently. During this process called ‘ethnic cleansing’ thousands of Pashtuns have/are been killed, this is a genocide. Similarly Israel are trying to push Palestinians out of their homes so their land becomes part of Israel.
    Below is article two:

    “In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) Killing members of the group; b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group”

    Mental and bodily harm caused to Palestinian children and prisoners and psychologically scarring.

    Conditions to cause destruction in whole or in part meets the requirement of a genocide:-
    “Professor Noam Chomsky describes the OPT as a highly abusive “Prison”; others use the valid term “Concentration Camp” and make parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto; one has to turn to US-guarded Vietnamese hamlets and the Nazi era atrocities to see routine, horrendously violent and deadly military policing of civilian concentration camps”.

    You said the population is growing, how come there is a high infant mortality rate!
    All of these conditions violets the Geneva convention!

  17. Christ, kpatman, have you tried twitter? Brevity is sacred.

    LOL – your quoting far-left anti-Western Chomsky – a favourite of the late arch-terrrorist Osama Bin Laden. I wonder why.

  18. Marvin-

    “There’s really no need to argue every point.
    Admit there’s no genocide, but there’s a low-level war going on between the two peoples for over a hundred years.Mistakes on both sides. Atrocities committed by both sides, historically”

    So you think that over a million Palestinians that were killed is not a genocide? So what do you call that? As MW that figure needs to reach 10 MILLION for it to be ‘acceptable’ to be called genocide. Don’t make me laugh!

    SO this war is ‘ Muslims vs Jews’ since you said its mistakes on both sides ‘historically’ for hundreds of years. LOL
    You do agree that the Holocaust happened, and that millions of people were killed. But you refuse to acknowledge that a similar situation is taking place, right?

    Israel which has one of the best military and power-since they have USA behind them have committed far more ‘atrocities’ than the Palestinians who only have stones. Tanks and AK vs stones LOL

  19. Marvin-

    Is that your comeback:)
    You have nothing to say, I see..
    Oh make sure you check the sources we have provided-you need all the help you can get.

  20. Can you please show me the link to the BBC or Wikipedia article that shows this (rather convenient) 1 million figure?

    Palestinians who only have stones

    Come on man, before the security fence suicide bombing was a huge problem. Not to mention the rockets. And occasional beheading of settler babies.

  21. Marvin-

    ‘security fence’ okay so Israel is becoming an apartheid state. LOL that security fence which has check points restricts aid and business.

    ‘bombing was a huge problem’ I know right, since the likes of Hamas was created by Israel of course they have learnt something from their creators.

    You don’t mention the missiles that are fired from Israel, you don’t mention the night raids, you don’t mention the killing of pregnant Palestinian women, you don’t mention the abuse of Palestinian children. You don’t mention stop and searches carried out by Israeli Soldiers, you don’t mention the detaining of innocent Palestinian boys, who apparently looked like terrorists hence they were detained.
    ‘occasional beheading of settlers’ settlers who have built homes on Palestinian land?
    Yes, we recognize that Israelis have been harmed and babies ‘beheaded’, but Israel has done thrice of this crime.

    All of this not a genocide?

  22. This is literally one of the most inaccurate, anti-Israel hate articles I’ve ever seen on the internet. It’s as if it was written by David Duke instead of an actual sane person.

  23. kpatman, who appears to be insane, wrote: “So you think that over a million Palestinians that were killed is not a genocide? So what do you call that?”

    Reality Check: “MILLIONS” of Palestinians have NOT been killed. “Hundreds of thousands” haven’t been killed, either. Nothing even remotely close to this.

  24. MoronWatch on twitter said: “First step, West Bank must be restored to Palestinian sovereignty.”

    Reality Check: Uh, the West Bank was NEVER under “Palestinian sovereignty.” It was owned by the Ottoman Empire (Turks) for hundreds of years, then the British after WW1, then Jordan after WW2, then in 1967 Israel won it from Jordan. It’s never actually been “Palestinian” by anyone’s actual definition of “Palestinian.” Israel handing it to the “Palestinians” would be the first time those people actually owned it themselves.

    Again, this blog entry is the most revoltingly inaccurate, lie-filled piece of garbage I’ve seen not including stuff on stormfront or white supremacist websites.

  25. I’m sticking to facts. I’ve not spoken of Israeli actions. You’ve claimed Palestinians only throw stones, which is patently not true.

    All of this not a genocide?

    Sorry, can you show me the UN resolution referring to this as anything approaching a genocide? Or perhaps a democratic government that has said this?

    You’ll not be able to even produce anything in recent decades (from an independent reputable source) that state a massacre was perpetrated by Israeli forces.

  26. Marvin, what I don’t understand is how someone running a website like this, who supposedly cares about peace/liberalism/etc. can write such a disgustingly false article.

    There’s literally inaccurate stuff in almost every sentence, start to finish.

    Yet this guy has now plugged it on Twitter like 10 times, as if he’s proud of this crap.

  27. B-
    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
    I have to admit I am a bit Insane, damn I am getting high.

    Anyways since I am not ‘even remotely close’, how many Palestinians have been killed? Please provide me a figure before I go MENTAL, damn those antidepressants!
    I am a uneducated moron that’s educating you, how educated am I:D
    Please stop with the Insults, calling me Nazi garbage, how interesting. Name calling won’t help your argument Mr B. I am sane of course says the guy who knows what sanity means. Here are some questions you need to analyse and research. Okies

    1)HOW MANY PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE 1948?
    2)WHAT IS GENOCIDE?
    3)EXPLAIN THE PATTERN IN THE MAP
    4)WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS LIKE IN GAZA STRIP
    5)EXPLAIN IN DETAIL HOW PALESTINIANS LIFE STYLE IS?

    Over and out!

  28. B, it is I admit quite an astounding piece of inflammatory fantastical nonsense.

    They know not what they do 🙂

    Calmly bringing the conversation back to facts each time is the only way. I’m awaiting the deluge of reputable independent sources which will corroborate their wild claims…

  29. No mentions of wars from Arab countries against Israel.

    No mentions of ethnic cleansing against Jews in Arab countries.

    No mentions of thousands of Palestinian terrorist attacks against Israel.

    No mentions of Hamas terrorists who want to mass-murder the Jews being elected as the national Palestinian leaders.

    No mentions of thousands of rockets into Israel.

    This is a nazi propaganda-level blog entry.

  30. No point in talking to kpatman. Far above, I’ve already pointed out literally 50+ things wrong with this disgustingly bigoted and uneducated blog entry.

  31. B
    “This is a nazi propaganda-level blog entry”.
    You know a lot about being a Nazi, don’t ya!
    We have already provided you with sources, if you care to take a look instead of calling people ‘nazi-garbage’. Very easy to name call people and run away from the real argument. You haven’t even answered the questions yet, and then you start calling people Nazis. Interesting.
    Yes Rockets have been fired to Israel, Israelis have been killed, but HOW MANY?
    700 Palestinians died in one month, how many Israelis were killed in that month? Not even ‘close enough’
    Give us a figure please, instead of calling this blog a propaganda source, you clearly are spreading your own propaganda, did you learn that from Goebbel?

  32. B

    You say I am 15, let’s just say I am, not far from that though, but a ’15 year old’ is educating an adult like you. Shouldn’t you be ashamed. Calling others Nazis, you have clearly not read the blog, hence your ignorant views. LMFAO a 15 year old at that telling you the facts. LOL you’re one funny dude.You have ignored my questions, and starting talking bullshit by labeling others as ‘Nazis’. Did you know that’s what Hitelr did, labelled people. Who is the Nazis now?
    Please educated yourself before talking to a 15 year old. Thank you:)

  33. There is a real need to debate this issue and to work towards a solution where the Palestinians secure an independent state. But the debate to date is marked by dishonest hyperbole for the most part.
    If you look at the pre-1945 map above of Palestine it shows Jews holding about 7-8% of the land, and assigns the remaining 93% to the Palestinians. However the 7% the Jews held is land held under private possession. If you check the land registry for non-Jews for the same period you will find that the non-Jews hold about 5%. Thus in 1945 not more than 13% of all land was in private possession, the rest being state land. To award the non-Jews the exclusive claim upon state land, as the map does, suggests one of two things. 1. The creator does not believe that Jews (regardless of whether they are native or not) have any entitlement to share of the 1945 Palestinian commonwealth – inline with the position of the Palestinian national leadership. 2. The creator is seeking to mislead the observer by assigning all state land to the non-Jewish population.
    If we set aside the competing and often conflicting claims of entitlement to residency and assume that all individuals in Palestine in 1945 should be treated equally, then the state land should be apportioned according to demographic divisions. Thus Non-Jews would awarded 5% + (87 x 2/3) = and Jews 7% + (87 x 1/3). Thus Non-Jews (Palestinians) would get about 63% and the Jews about 36%. The 1947 Partition Plan award the Jews more than that share based on projected immigration, but the non-Jews retained the most developed land at the time, and although Jews were an outright majority in Jerusalem, and had been so since before the Balfour Declaration, they were to be denied the right of self-determination.
    The Jews accepted the Partition in 1947 believing that they couldn’t get more, and the non-Jews rejected Partition and demanded suzerainty over all the territory, including the recently established Transjordan. Once the Partition Plan had been rejected by one party then the progression to war was inevitable.
    In the 1948 the Jews faced the combined armies of the Arab world and believed to start with that they would struggle to survive. The non-Jews on the other hand not only were confident of victory, because of the presence of standing armies, but proclaimed that they would either slaughter all the Jews or drive them into the sea. As we know in 1949 the Jews were not thrown into the sea, and 653,000 non-Jews registered with UNRWA as refugees displaced in the war. (Jewish displaced persons from Gaza, West Bank & Jerusalem were denied such opportunities via UNRWA even though they had been displaced by the same conflict) While a large number of non-Jews remained in or returned to what became Israel, no Jews were permitted to reside in any part of the West Bank, Gaza or Jerusalem even though they might be native to those areas. Palestinian policy from 47 until 64 was that no Jew could be permitted to hold any right of habitation. In 64 that changed to permit Jews who had been legal citizens prior to 1917 and descendants via patrilineage to hold Palestinian nationality.
    From thereon the 64 policy has remained as part of the Palestinian constitution. However the Hamas position is that non-Muslims may not hold legal equality with Muslims and that Jews are not permitted to reside within Palestine. In part this repeats the 1947 Palestinian policy but is primarily a rejection of the 19th C promulgations of Firman Khatt-i-Sharif and Firman Hamayoun which award legal equality to all inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire.
    If the Israelis are perpetrating genocide against the Palestinians then it must be said that in this one distinct field of activity they are woefully incompetent. and indeed bizarre as the Israeli law affords equal rights to Jews & non-Jews with two distinct exceptions 1. the right of return for Jews 2. the exemption of Palestinians from any national service obligation . This contrasts sharply with PNA and Hamas promulgated laws.
    If this conflict is to be ended it will only occur when both sides stop misrepresenting facts to support their own objectionable policies. It is after all a grubby civil war between two largely immigrant peoples.

  34. To reinforce the point I made about disingenuous claims. In the 2000 map above it would lead one to believe that the Israelis have claimed & settled virtually all of the West Bank. However if you follow the link below the situation is rather different. While there are settlements, the PNA controls a large proportion of the territory. It is correct that Israel still occupies and controls large stretches along the Jordan Valley (legally by the way as an outcome of a war), and it is part of Oslo and subsequent agreements that in the phased withdrawal the PNA has to meet certain criteria for it to be completed. One of which is to be capable of managing the border with Jordan. As the PNA after now a decade & a half still can’t collect its own import duties and VAT, and relies on Israel to do it, it is hardly surprising that it has yet to demonstrate that it can manage an international border.

    The Friends of Palestine would be frankly far better encouraging their side to stop buying weapons and start investing in administrative infrastructure. They could also start demanding that the PNA starts adhering to UN Human Rights standards for things like fair trials. Not much to ask really is it. While none of us expect better from the Neo-Nazi Imperialist Colonialist Zionist Fascists based on their past genocidal performance, we should be able to expect that the Palestinian leadership should be exemplary in all things.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png

  35. The only hope for the Palestinians is a renouncement of the toxic ideology of which entraps them.

    Imagine if the Palestinian people declared to the world they renounced violence, that they wished to live in peace in their own state by diplomatic means?

  36. kpatman: stop being naive. the firing of rockets across the border is not about killing people. It is part of a long standing policy of socio-economic attrition. It was developed as an approach really after 67 when the Arabs realised that they couldn’t beat the Israelis in a direct war. So they sought to exhaust the Israelis by compelling them to respond to repeated apparent attacks i.e sirens go off & everyone rushes to the shelters. That no one is killed is not the point, the point is wearing the Israelis down.
    The Israelis are constrained by international pressure from responding to this form of warfare. The UN & other bodies cites proportionality etc, and demands that the Israelis do not cause civilian injuries in any response nor suspends supplies of water & other utilities and aid in retaliation as this would be collective punishment. This encourages the Palestinian forces to operate out of civilian centres.
    Eventually the Israelis reach a point where the damage to them exceeds their susceptibility to int’l pressure and they retaliate in force seeking to destroy the bases & stores. Inevitably civilians are killed and injured because the conflict is centred in civilian areas.
    The rational thing for the Israelis to do would be to suspend water, fuel & power supplies, telephone connections to Gaza and the West Bank for a fixed period (say 7 days) every time a rocket is fired. Very soon the Palestinians would stop firing rockets as the civilian population would compel the militants to desist. Unfortunately for the Israelis international pressure prevents them from taking such steps.
    If I were Bibi Netanyahu I would order an immediate unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank and a complete closure of the border to all persons, goods and services, and simply wait for Palestine to collapse. After the Palestinian factions have butchered each other, the remaining civilian population would probably beg the IDF to come back and take over.

  37. Quote “And yet, history tells otherwise. Most people in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Italy and other European states simply ignored what was going on (if they weren’t actively complicit). Britain and other nations refused to allow in Jewish refugees. Most of those on the right, and many on the left, accepted at least part of the “Jewish Problem” justification. European Jews had no powerful friends.”

    Is it not the case that the Middle East states and their populations were opposed to opening their doors to Jewish refugees, and generally they were subject to Nazi occupation or attack. Consider the Struma and its passengers turned away by Turkey to die in the Black Sea. How many could have been saved if the Middle Eastern peoples had lobbied to save their fellow “People of the Book”.
    Or could it be that the Arab nationalist movements were allied to the Germans?
    & coincidentally Yugoslavia had two arrest international warrants out for Haj Amin Al Husseyni (Palestinian Leader) for war crimes against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies, and for recruiting Yugoslav Muslim citizens into the SS. Odd that….

  38. Error: above should read – “Is it not the case that the Middle East states and their populations were opposed to opening their doors to Jewish refugees, and generally they were NOT subject to Nazi occupation or attack”

  39. It does not sound exactly like genocide to me although maybe some form of ethnic cleansing is going on.
    With regard to the Israeli terrorism, it is still going on today with the mossad eliminating, among others, civilian Iranian scientists, just because they happen to work in the field of nuclear energy. Of course America in particular says nothing about this.

  40. Bunty: The uncomfortable reality of the Middle East is that some decades there has been a competitive struggle between various nations. Whether it fits comfortably in our preferred paradigm or not, the Iranians are playing a primary role in this and have been doing so since the Revolution. Despite the Islamic superficiality, the Iranian objective is to ostensibly reassert Persian Imperial dominance. This follows on from the Shah’s regime, and has parallels in Saddam Husseins & Iraqi Baath’s claims to be the inheritors of the Babylonian heritage. Sectarian divisions are embroiled in this and exploited.
    Israel is projected as the enemy because it potentially unifies Muslims against “the other”, in this case Jews, but the USA also fits the bill as did the UK prior to WW2. However although Iran promotes the idea of existential conflict against Israel, it does not intend that it is drawn into a direct conflict unless it is absolutely guaranteed of success. Iran is however adept at influencing external political bodies and securing their support for one-sided condemnation of Israel, USA and UK. The difficulty in grasping Iranian policy is that it, like other regional regimes, makes different statements to different bodies. Thus on an international stage it proposes that Israel is terminated through political means, however internally it projects the notion of Israel being eliminated via military means. The problem for observers is determining which is the “real” statement of intent.
    Israel’s actions against Iran are two-fold. the first being the assassinations and bombing of Iranian technicians and facilities where they can reach them. The second is action against proxies such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
    in the balance of probabilities Iran is working to create capacity to build nuclear weapons, and Israel has reason to fear this. The strength of nuclear weapons is the capacity to blackmail & intimidate neighbouring countries. At the moment we can only guess at Iranian policy regarding the utilization of nuclear weapons based on the diverse statements its leaders have made, and the same applied to Israel. Israel’s policy appears to be that of mass-suicide and regional obliteration (the Massadah Complex), whereas Iran seems to hold in part at least that the collateral loss of millions of Palestinians and Jordanians is a price worth paying for the destruction of Israel.
    Oddly this is a situation where both East & West have some unity in interpretation. A nuclear Iran, because of its predatory & destabilising policies, is likely to be a catalyst for a regional arms race and potentially tipping the balance to a 3rd World war. At this moment the response is limited to sanctions and a few assassinations by Israel. But were the situation to escalate further, then the primarily Sunni nations in the region might not be averse to Israel launching a massive pre-emptory strike against Iranian nuclear facilities and infrastructure.
    However were the situation to progress towards this stand-off, then factions within Iran might just be motivated to try to overthrow the current regime. In such a situation we would see a further escalation of internal repression & violence in Iran, and an escalation of sectarian and Anti-Zionist propaganda coming from Iran and its allies. There are already signs of this, and there is international pressure upon the Israelis not to strike at Iran. But this is balanced by the US suggesting that if Israel did feel the need to strike, then it would understand and would not subject Israel to any political / economic consequences.
    At this moment a handful of Iranian scientists being killed seems fairly small beer compared to all out war between Israel and Iran.

  41. Thank you Professor Davis, but nothing you say can condone state sponsored murder by either side and as Israel is the strongest here by way of state of the art weaponry supplied by the US and the nuclear option then it behooves them to take the moral high ground, which they never do. Every time Israel strikes its neighbors preemtively then they are only asking for a response in kind and so it goes on and has been for millennia, unless one side shows restraint nothing will ever change. Also their continued policy of settlement (akin to the Chinese settlement of Tibet) is a further provocation. If I was a young Palestinian seeing what is going on, I would be out there throwing rocks.

  42. moronwatch

    ” … well over a million Palestinians have already been killed. Millions more exiled. What the maximum acceptable number for you? Anything up to 10 million? https://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/

    Okay moronwatch I read some of the article you linked. Do you really think that over 5 million Palestinians have been killed since 1948?

    I’m thinking this “moronwatch” of yours involves the use of mirrors

  43. “The difficulty in grasping Iranian policy is that it, like other regional regimes, makes different statements to different bodies. Thus on an international stage it proposes that Israel is terminated through political means, however internally it projects the notion of Israel being eliminated via military means.” – RS Davies

    I believe this is evident in the “Wipe Israel of the map” fiasco, Iran’s internal agenda was revealed by the world media.

  44. Bunty: Possession of vast arsenals does not necessarily mean that the nation in question is strong & capable of imposing a solution, nor does it have any greater moral responsibility because of it.
    Throughout the post’68 N. Irish Troubles, UK had an infinitely greater arsenal than either the Irish Republic or any of the armed factions. But it could not impose it’s will and had to simply slog on until the IRA etc tired of the futility of war.
    Of course we can all sympathise with the young Palestinian who vents their frustration by throwings rocks. But their problem is not simply the IDF & Israel’s policies. The root of the problem is in the fundamental weakness & absence of leadership. Both Hamas & PLO have shown themselves to be corrupt and inept at best, and have led the Palestinians into one catastrophe after another.

  45. Has anyone ever considered that Israel was actually part of Hitlers Final Solution? Hitler authorised the transfer of money for 60,000 jews who settled in the Palestine between 1933 and 1938. Jews at this time were prohibited from transferring any money due to Hitlers antisemitic plan. The transfer of cash to the Palestine was part of the Haavara Agreement (google it) and allowed Jewish settlers to move over 1 billion dollars into the new settlements. It was a wini-win deal for Hitler because he both relieved himself of 60,000 Jews and also got the Jewish peoples of the world to drop a proposed global boycott of German goods. The Zionist plan of creating a Jewish homeland suited Hitler as he believed Jews were destroying Europe. Israel, to Hitler, would become the largest concentration camp.

    When I read articles such as this, I am more than convinced that people are focusing on Jewish wrongdoings and are less than aware of the danger of concentrating so many Jewish people into an area that is so close to the military powers that would happily destroy all Jews.

  46. Monk: The arrangement suited Hitler & the Nazis until 1936 when their developing alliances with various Arab nationalist movements, most notably with Hajj Amin Al Husseyni, became more important than simply ridding themselves of Jews. While the Nazis wanted rid of the Jews, they opposed the creation of an independent Zionist State. Once the Peel report indicated that Palestine was closing as a venue for Jewish resettlement, the Nazis proposed other places such as Madagascar in conjunction with the Polish government that also wanted to get rid of its Jewish population.
    Sadly for most Jews there were few routes for escape and we know that from Northern Russia to North Africa to the French west coast, Jews were rounded up, exploited and murdered. Despite all the post-war anguish and expressions of regret, most nations closed their doors to Jews. The possible exceptions that can hold their heads up high on this matter are Albania and the Nationalist Republic of China.

  47. Excellent post Moronwatch. Lest we forget Zionism has a “proud” history of terrorism with the stated aim of expelling Arabs from Palestine. Blowing up ships, busses, hotels … sending letter bombs to British ministers … Israel was founded on the back of a long and despicable terrorist campaign. All that’s changed is that they now operate from behind the cloak of a seemingly legititimate government and army.

    1. That’s true. This is why I talked about Finkelstein. He says about the tyranny of “anti-Semitism”, that now you cannot say anything about the actions of the Israeli government without being called anti-Semitic. And remember that Finkelstein himself has Jewish ancestry.

      Noam Chomsky also talked about this and more recently about the biased reporting of this “war” by the western media outlets.

      1. Tyranny is an excellent word for it, thank you. We need to end the fear that allows Israel to behave as though the Jewish people have a monopoly on victimisation.

    2. Neither side in this conflict can claim the moral high ground, despite what the “Friends of Israel or Palestine” would have have us believe.
      As for the allegation against the Zionists of seeking to expel the Arabs (actually Christians & Muslims), the Christian / Muslim Palestinian alliance sought exactly the same thing against the Jews and were far more effective in achieving it in the territories they held post-1948.
      From the early 1920’s there was simmering violence in Palestine, fomented by the Husseini clan & their allies. The Nebi Musa massacres aside, their primary target was moderate Palestinian Muslims & Christians who thought that they could work with the Zionists for the benefit of all. The overall objective of this dominant feudal elite was to reverse Tanzimat, and re-establish the old order that they had profited from so grandly.
      However peace can only come when the Palestinians work towards building a stable civil society that has government that is efficient and answerable to its citizens. Neither Fatah nor Hamas has any interest in creating this, because they benefit so much from the corrupt violence of their dominance and the oppression of ordinary people.
      In the 1936 Arab Revolt it was the ordinary Palestinians who turned the “heroic fighters” in to the British. They were sick of the predatory nature of these heroes and their abuse of the ordinary people.
      And now today with accuracy that the combined power of NATO cannot achieve in Afghanistan, the IDF is taking out one weapons dump after another with astounding accuracy. Does no one wonder just exactly who is telling them where these arsenals are?

      1. This morning it was reported that half a dozen mutilated bodies of alleged “collaborators” were dragged around Gaza. Perhaps these were people who told the Israelis where the weapons dumps were, or perhaps they were just more victims of internal violence. We’ll never know, they were denied a trial in an open court, and the heroes of the Palestinian struggle murdered them.

  48. Wow, just read most of these comments from August.

    Some more for everyone to learn, “ad hominem”. I try to stay impartial, but it really is hard to believe – the shall I call them – pro-Israelis (?) When terms such as “F*ucking Nazi” are being thrown around.

    Educated arguments people, identify the key words, the question, analyse, interpret, respond, stay on point, rinse, repeat etc.

    Also, think about where we live currently (well for me it’s the UK) … assuming you’re not in the conflict, and you weren’t born there, and the only reason you’re talking about this is because it was in the news, let us PLEASE remember that we are the lucky ones. How can we sit by and comment and persecute ANYONE? We sit in out heated houses, on Twitter and blogs like this, and give our 2 cents or (2 dollars in small change) by this point.

    To be better HUMANS, let’s stop calling each other names, about an opinion, on a conflict which we’re probably not involved in.

      1. Oh no, not your comments. Just the guys from before. Really makes me sad. We should be sad for ALL death regardless of who it is. For once I think I’m agreeing with Tony Blair, where he was pretty much saying – priority is to just stop the death. Then try to move forwards after =]

        1. Take care agreeing with Blair. He’s personally profiting from his close relationship with the Israelis, and is certainly not impartial in this.

  49. “Britain and other nations refused to allow in Jewish refugees.”

    No we didn’t. All nations and peoples stood with us in the fight against Nazi Germany, with the obvious cowardly exceptions. We declared war first (along with some allies), remember?

    A lot of Jews went to the United States which, given how close Britain was to being invaded, was probably the safest place for them. Turns out we won. Good eh?

    1. Could you kindly list the Allied and neutral states that maintained an open door to Jewish refugees from 1933 until 1945? And provide numbers of Jewish refugees allowed to settle and establish normal lives (i.e. not put in prison camps).

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